|OSHKOSH CITY DIRECTORIES
Looking through the city directories that the Oshkosh Public Library
posted on their website and comparing the names to various censuses I
tried to get a feel of who was the earliest to arrive. This list is
by no means definitive. It is just a quick sampling. Some names claim
Austria, Bohemia, Bavaria or Prussia at different times. I included them
here if there is conflicting information. It will take research from their
descendents to determine the correct place of origin. Generally we are not
interested in people from Prussia. We are trying to keep the scope of this
website in the Boehmerwald. So a name could be included here because they claim
the right area or the name is associated with the Highholders later. But
it doesn't necessarily mean they are. Also names could be missing
because they claimed the wrong area or the information was recorded wrong.
||Tinsmith, Ferry St.
What is interesting about PRATSCH is
that he arrives so early and that he is a merchant not just a
laborer like later arrivals. He also does not move to the Southside after most of the others arrive. And so does not identify himself
with the Highholders which leads me to believe that he may have come
from another part of Austria and not the Boehmerwald. Also it has
been related to me that they changed religions to Lutheran thus
further distancing themselves. He claims Austria on the 1870 census.
||Farmer, Main St.
|Could be Gabauer
||Carpenter, Winnebago St.
|Joseph claims Bavaria in the 1870 census.
But like Pratsch he arrives so early and is a merchant that opens a
store in 1859. He
must have come from a different part of Bavaria.
||Hardware Merchant, foot of Ferry
||Laborer, 5th St.
||Barkeep, Kansas between 7th and 8th
||Cabinet Maker, NS Waugoo
||Laborer, NS 6th W of Iowa
||Laborer, SS Main
|Gabauer, Sawall probably from Prussia
|84 Main, res. 68 Otter
Shoemaker, 68 Otter
||114 5th St.
||Laborer, 118 5th St.
||150 6th St.
Bavaria - 1870 census
This is curious since we come from a forested mountain region. How
did he become a sailor? Could be Prussian.
||Laborer, 156 6th St.
||Bavaria, Railroad hand
||Prussia, Railroad hand
||Laborer, 114 5th
||Foreman, SS 8th
||Laborer, 7th and Ohio
||Laborer, 6th and Ohio
||Laborer, 150 6th
||Laborer, 29 11th
||Laborer, Corner 6th & Dacotah
||Laborer SS 6th
1870 census Caroline claims Poland but in 1900 they say Bohemia
||Laborer, SW 7th and Idaho
||several, but have no information on individual names
|Now people start arriving but not many here yet, immigration
really begins after 1880. If your ancestor arrived in America before
this date they may not have come directly to Oshkosh. Some went to
Minneapolis, Chicago or even Kansas.
||Austria, Tavern Keeper
||Prussia, Ohio Street
Two experiences with archives
Germany and Bohemia
Passau Archives experience
by Shane Edgar
I obtained Dr. Wurster's e-mail address off the Bavarian-L
mailing list. I e-mailed him with all the pertinent information I could
think of regarding my ancestors including names and birth dates. He
responded quickly with an e-mail explaining what types of information
they have and how much they charge. I believe providing them
with my snail-mail address was key as I hadn't moved, but changed my
e-mail address two times since my initial contact with them. Dr. Wurster
mentioned it would take a while to receive any results and it did; about
nine months. The charge for six pages of data (some information going a
far back as 1757) was about 137 Euro. I have since requested more
records from them as they seem to be able to find more. It was a long
wait, but well worth it in my opinion. I also had a lot of help from
someone who translated the information and took care of the money
transaction. Personal checks appear to be quite expensive to cash in
Europe so I didn't go that route.
Dr. Herbert W. Wurster
able to provide more data about your ancestors Herman Stadler (born
February 06, 1846 or 1841 in Bischofsreut) and Creszenz Nigl (born October
30, 1843 in Bischofsreut as well as their parents J. George Stadler and
Anna Sammer and Josef Nigl (born March 30, 1799) and Theresia Weishaupl
(born October 27, 1806).
following is some GENERAL INFORMATION on our procedures:
The sacramental registers
(before ca. 1900) of all the parishes of our diocese are in the
custody of the diocesan archives.
All genealogical research carried out on private
behalf has to be paid for, even if it is without positive result (Even
then we do provide a definitive result, because we can definitely tell
you, if your ancestors have not come from our area!). For research time we
charge EUR 30, per half an hour. We are able to work along that line,
because have established a data base covering all the weddings in the
extant wedding registers of all the parishes of nowadays diocese of Passau
before 1900. The ca. 800.000 index entries encompass surnames (of
bridegrooms and brides), Christian names, place and time of wedding.
Therefore we are (among others) able to determine the existence of
families of given names easily.
For data provided by the "Historical Population
Database of the Diocese of Passau before 1900" the following charges
will be raised:
1.3. The charges are composed as follows:
1.3.1. Basic charge: EUR 5,
1.3.2. District charge: Per parish from which records
are obtained from:
1.3.3. Charges on data sets:
Per register datum
from wedding index:
from wedding register:
If you are prepared to accept these charges, we will
carry out work for you.
I am sorry to tell you, however, that there is an
enormous amount of genealogical queries and we do not have enough staff to
answer comprehensive research requests as fast as we would like to. In the
case of such a request I have to ask for your patience; it will take
several months before we will be able to answer in depth.
Could you please provide your postal address?
Dr. Herbert W. Wurster
Private researcher in Bohemian archives
By Peter Kinderman
I contacted Felix Gundacker by email and inquired what it would take to
do research for me in the Southern Bohemian Archives in Trebon, Czech
Republic. Basically all he needed was a name and a date and a village. The
main names I gave him were the names of my paternal great grandfather
(John Kindermann) and my grandmothers father (Joseph Winkelbauer). I
gave him several more names to fill out the line. I also gave him my
maternal line since I did not know where they came from, but they were not
present at all in the Bohemian archives. The dates I gave him were
assumed to be correct. They either came from tombstones or other family
records. The village of the Kindermann line was thought to be Salnau. The
village of the Winkelbauers or any other name was unknown.
Mr. Gundacker visits the Trebon archives often and is very familiar
with the records. As luck would have it he was going there within two
weeks. I was able to sign up for this trip and by doing so the travel
expenses were split between several people.
Within a very short time I received an email from Felix stating that
the trip was a huge success. He was able to find records on over 300
people as far back as 1664. Most individuals had several records such as
marriage and birth. There were 208 direct ancestors with 34 in the twelfth
generation alone. He was also able to find many siblings. Almost all the
dates that I had from records in America were wrong. The Kindermann
village was also wrong. We actually came from Schönau, a small village up
the road from Salnau. I now had names, dates and villages of almost
everyone, but not quite. As it turned out Johann Kindermann's father
Ignatz was illegitimate and there appeared to be no record of a marriage
of his mother, Maria. So the Kindermann line is not my line. I
do have a theory on what surname the father was but have no way of proving
it. It may take DNA testing. If the father of Ignatz been
found the number
of records could have doubled. That is how complete these records
are. The Czech archives does not do mail order searching. You have to go
there in person. The records are not microfilmed by LDS.
A week later I received an email of all the information and later a
packet arrived in the mail. The information contained all the records
in order by ancestor number with the records typewritten in either Latin
or German. The records were translated into English. He also
included a family tree and a map.
Now you maybe wondering just how much this all cost. Well, I will warn
you it wasn't cheap. With the number
of hours involved in researching and transcribing and translating I
consider it money well spent. Since I do not read or speak German, Latin
or Czech I would never have been able to read the records. The records are
also written in an old German script called Kurrent, which is difficult to
read. He was able to accomplish in two weeks what would have taken forever
to do. I was also
planning a trip to Europe in a few months and did not want to spend all my
time in an archive trying to decipher ledger books. I also wanted to go to the correct
place. Without finding the correct villages I would have been lost. The
cost came out to about $5.00 a direct line ancestor or less than half that per
record. I will have him do more research in the future to answer a
few questions and fill in a few gaps.
See BOHEMIA RESEARCHED
NAMES on my Kinderman website
Professional researcher for Bohemia
contact Mr. Gundacker at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Ellis Island Immigration
I was playing around with the Ellis Island site and was checking out
the listings by village and found a few interesting items. It may be worth
investigating the connections between families that came from the same
village but went to other places in America.
From Szidorfalva, Austria-Hungary I found 6 with
Oshkosh connections and many others with Slovak names that went
elsewhere. Making contact with a researcher of those other names may
just be the clue you need to answer a question about the old world
||Slovak, to Pittsburgh Others
went to Pittsburgh also
Wenzel, Katherine, Gisella
|August 31, 1907 to see brother Franz Gans at 1233
In the Oshkosh 1910 census they are listed as
Gremps, Frank, 1236 Bismarck
Gremps, Rudolf, 1230 Bismarck
Austria-Bohemia. Now why would they say this,
just three years earlier they came from Szidorfalva.
|Schottl, Catherine with children
||To husband Leibrich Schettl, 474 6th St.
|Robel, Franz with Katie, Wenzel, Maria, Josef, Barbara
||To see brother Wilhelm Robel, Sawyer Ave.
|Turjanicza, Maria with children
||To husband in Mellon, WI.
They state they are Ruthenian
Oshkosh has a connection with Mellon. I'm sure
it has to do with lumber. I remember visiting some sort of relation
in Mellon when I was a kid. Probably was a Golomb relation.
||To Pittsburgh, Hungarian
He is traveling with the next entry
||From Tusset, Bohemia to Pittsburgh to see his brother
Mathias. Why would someone from Tusset travel
with someone from Szidorfalva unless the two areas had some sort of
other interesting finds
|Winkelbauer, Robert and Carl
||From Bergriechenstein which is NW of Vimperk to
Willoughby, Ohio I will have to check this
village as a possible earlier source of my Winkelbauers.
||From Prachatice, Bohemia To see Uncle in Merrill, WI
The wife says she is Hungarian, Croatian.
||To Orrville, CA
special medical conditions, deported
|Seibold, Ida with child Oliver 5 weeks
||to husband Otto, US citizen, 1339 10th St.
||really should be Wilhelm Stoegbauer The
transcribing is not always very accurate so you have to check
Franceska with children Anna and Karl
|From Hirschberger To Uncle Wenzel Andrashko in St.
Karl was sick and in the hospital and delayed their immigration
Maria with child
|From Oberplan to Engelbert Holub in Chicago
Name probably is Praxl-- with that misspelling
they never would have been found but I searched with Oberplan.
From Budweis, there are 272 names
From Passau, 156 names
From Kuschwarda, 23 names: all names familiar to Oshkosh
From Horice, 40
From Winterberg, 40 or Czech Vimperk, 7
From Prachatice, 40
From Bergreichenstein, 21
From Freyung, 7
From Grafenau, 8
From Grainet, 4
From Annathal, 5
From Haidmuhle, 3