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October 2003

Vol. 2 Issue 10


Looking through the city directories that the Oshkosh Public Library posted on their website and comparing the names to various censuses I tried to get a feel of who was the earliest to arrive. This list is by no means definitive. It is just a quick sampling. Some names claim Austria, Bohemia, Bavaria or Prussia at different times. I included them here if there is conflicting information. It will take research from their descendents to determine the correct place of origin. Generally we are not interested in people from Prussia. We are trying to keep the scope of this website in the Boehmerwald. So a name could be included here because they claim the right area or the name is associated with the Highholders later. But it doesn't necessarily mean they are. Also names could be missing because they claimed the wrong area or the information was recorded wrong.


Pratsch, I Tinsmith, Ferry St.

What is interesting about PRATSCH is that he arrives so early and that he is a merchant not just a laborer like later arrivals. He also does not move to the Southside after most of the others arrive. And so does not identify himself with the Highholders which leads me to believe that he may have come from another part of Austria and not the Boehmerwald. Also it has been related to me that they changed religions to Lutheran thus further distancing themselves. He claims Austria on the 1870 census.

Gubear, S.T. Farmer, Main St.
Could be Gabauer
Nagler, Joseph Carpenter, Winnebago St.
Joseph claims Bavaria in the 1870 census. But like Pratsch he arrives so early and is a merchant that opens a store in 1859. He must have come from a different part of Bavaria.



Pratsch, John Hardware Merchant, foot of Ferry
Jarosch, L Laborer
Barta, Ignatz Shoemaker 
Otter Street
Gabau, August Laborer, 5th St.
Gabaul, F Saloonkeeper, 5th
Gibau, Ferdinand Barkeep, Kansas between 7th and 8th
Nagler, Joseph Cabinet Maker, NS Waugoo
Savall, Gotleib Laborer, NS 6th W of Iowa
Yarosch, L Laborer, SS Main 
Gabauer, Sawall probably from Prussia



Barda, Ignatz
Barter, Ignatz
84 Main, res. 68 Otter
Shoemaker, 68 Otter
Draxler, Bomkroz 114 5th St.
Overhansel, Albert Laborer, 118 5th St.
Pratsch, J
Pratsch, Emil
Suda, Jos. 150 6th St. 
Bavaria - 1870 census
Walter, Jos. Sailor
This is curious since we come from a forested mountain region. How did he become a sailor? Could be Prussian.
Moddel, Mathias Laborer, 156 6th St.



Ackermann, John Bavaria, Railroad hand
Matchy, John Prussia, Railroad hand
Pratsch Austria
Nagler, Joseph Bavaria
Suda, Jos. Bavaria



Draxler, Bramkroz Laborer, 114 5th
Gabauer, August
Pratsch, John Stoves, Tinware, 
19 Main
Sawall, John 120 5th
Walters, Joseph Foreman, SS 8th



Droeschler, Jos. Laborer, 7th and Ohio
Droexler, Pankranz Laborer, 6th and Ohio
Killermann, John Laborer, 6th
Mauritz, Frank Laborer, 6th
Matl, Michael Laborer, 150 6th
Matschek, John Laborer, 29 11th
Mottel, Joseph Laborer, Corner 6th & Dacotah
Philipps, Anton  
Sawall, Gottleib Laborer, 4th
Sawall, John Laborer, 5th
Stadler, Hiram Shoemaker, 6th
Walters, August
Walters, Charles
Walters, Joseph
Wolf, Herman 6th
Oberhansl, Albert Laborer SS 6th
1870 census Caroline claims Poland but in 1900 they say Bohemia
Schottel, Frank Laborer, SW 7th and Idaho
Miller, Mueller several, but have no information on individual names
Now people start arriving but not many here yet, immigration really begins after 1880. If your ancestor arrived in America before this date they may not have come directly to Oshkosh. Some went to Minneapolis, Chicago or even Kansas.  



Stadler, John Bavaria
Ackermann, John Bavaria
Suda, Matt Austria
Trexler, Joseph Austria
Schottl, Frank Austria
Neustifter, Joseph Bavaria
Graf, Wendelin Austria
Oberhansl, Albert Austria
Binder, Charles Austria, Tavern Keeper
Lueck, John Prussia, Grocer
Troiber, John Austria
Miller, James Austria
Walters, James Austria
Mauritz, James Austria
Walter, Joseph Austria
Mottel, Mike Prussia
Wolf, Herman
Stadler, Herman Prussia, Ohio Street

Two experiences with archives in 
Germany and Bohemia

Passau Archives experience

by Shane Edgar 

   I obtained Dr. Wurster's e-mail address off the Bavarian-L mailing list. I e-mailed him with all the pertinent information I could think of regarding my ancestors including names and birth dates. He responded quickly with an e-mail explaining what types of information they have and how much they charge. I believe providing them with my snail-mail address was key as I hadn't moved, but changed my e-mail address two times since my initial contact with them. Dr. Wurster mentioned it would take a while to receive any results and it did; about nine months. The charge for six pages of data (some information going a far back as 1757) was about 137 Euro. I have since requested more records from them as they seem to be able to find more. It was a long wait, but well worth it in my opinion. I also had a lot of help from someone who translated the information and took care of the money transaction. Personal checks appear to be quite expensive to cash in Europe so I didn't go that route.



Dr. Herbert W. Wurster

Archivdirektor, Passau

Dear Sir,

 We are able to provide more data about your ancestors Herman Stadler (born February 06, 1846 or 1841 in Bischofsreut) and Creszenz Nigl (born October 30, 1843 in Bischofsreut as well as their parents J. George Stadler and Anna Sammer and Josef Nigl (born March 30, 1799) and Theresia Weishaupl (born October 27, 1806).

 The following is some GENERAL INFORMATION on our procedures:

The sacramental registers  (before ca. 1900) of all the parishes of our diocese are in the custody of the diocesan archives.

All genealogical research carried out on private behalf has to be paid for, even if it is without positive result (Even then we do provide a definitive result, because we can definitely tell you, if your ancestors have not come from our area!). For research time we charge EUR 30, per half an hour. We are able to work along that line, because have established a data base covering all the weddings in the extant wedding registers of all the parishes of nowadays diocese of Passau before 1900. The ca. 800.000 index entries encompass surnames (of bridegrooms and brides), Christian names, place and time of wedding. Therefore we are (among others) able to determine the existence of families of given names easily.

For data provided by the "Historical Population Database of the Diocese of Passau before 1900" the following charges will be raised:

1.3. The charges are composed as follows:

1.3.1. Basic charge: EUR 5,

1.3.2. District charge: Per parish from which records are obtained from:

EUR 1,

1.3.3. Charges on data sets:

             Per register datum

            from wedding index:        EUR 1,00

            from wedding register:     EUR 5,00

If you are prepared to accept these charges, we will carry out work for you.

I am sorry to tell you, however, that there is an enormous amount of genealogical queries and we do not have enough staff to answer comprehensive research requests as fast as we would like to. In the case of such a request I have to ask for your patience; it will take several months before we will be able to answer in depth.

Could you please provide your postal address?

Yours sincerely

Dr. Herbert W. Wurster


From: dr.herbert.wurster@bistum-passau.de

Private researcher in Bohemian archives

By Peter Kinderman

I contacted Felix Gundacker by email and inquired what it would take to do research for me in the Southern Bohemian Archives in Trebon, Czech Republic. Basically all he needed was a name and a date and a village. The main names I gave him were  the names of my paternal great grandfather (John Kindermann)  and my grandmothers father (Joseph Winkelbauer). I gave him several more names to fill out the line. I also gave him my maternal line since I did not know where they came from, but they were not present at all in the Bohemian archives.  The dates I gave him were assumed to be correct. They either came from tombstones or other family records. The village of the Kindermann line was thought to be Salnau. The village of the Winkelbauers or any other name was unknown. 

Mr. Gundacker visits the Trebon archives often and is very familiar with the records. As luck would have it he was going there within two weeks. I was able to sign up for this trip and by doing so the travel expenses were split between several people.  

Within a very short time I received an email from Felix stating that the trip was a huge success. He was able to find records on over 300 people as far back as 1664. Most individuals had several records such as marriage and birth.  There were 208 direct ancestors with 34 in the twelfth generation alone. He was also able to find many siblings. Almost all the dates that I had from records in America were wrong. The Kindermann village was also wrong. We actually came from Schönau, a small village up the road from Salnau. I now had names, dates and villages of almost everyone, but not quite. As it turned out Johann Kindermann's father Ignatz was illegitimate and there appeared to be no record of a marriage of his mother, Maria. So the Kindermann line is not my line.  I do have a theory on what surname the father was but have no way of proving it. It may take DNA testing.  If the father of Ignatz been found the number of records could have doubled. That is how complete these records are. The Czech archives does not do mail order searching. You have to go there in person. The records are not microfilmed by LDS.

A week later I received an email of all the information and later a packet arrived in the mail. The information contained all the records in order by ancestor number with the records typewritten in either Latin or German. The records were translated into English.  He also included a family tree and a map.

Now you maybe wondering just how much this all cost. Well, I will warn you it wasn't cheap. With the number of hours involved in researching and transcribing and translating I consider it money well spent. Since I do not read or speak German, Latin or Czech I would never have been able to read the records. The records are also written in an old German script called Kurrent, which is difficult to read. He was able to accomplish in two weeks what would have taken forever to do. I was also planning a trip to Europe in a few months and did not want to spend all my time in an archive trying to decipher ledger books. I also wanted to go to the correct place. Without finding the correct villages I would have been lost. The cost came out to about $5.00 a direct line ancestor or less than half that per record. I will have him do more research in the future to answer a few questions and fill in a few gaps.

See BOHEMIA RESEARCHED NAMES on my Kinderman website

Professional researcher for Bohemia
 http://www.ihff.at.  contact Mr. Gundacker at office@ihff.at.


More Links




300 year anniversary of Bischofsreut, Bavaria

October, 2005

Time to start thinking about attending.  


Ellis Island Immigration

I was playing around with the Ellis Island site and was checking out the listings by village and found a few interesting items. It may be worth investigating the connections between families that came from the same village but went to other places in America.

From Szidorfalva, Austria-Hungary I found 6 with Oshkosh connections and many others with Slovak names that went elsewhere. Making contact with a researcher of those other names may just be the clue you need to answer a question about the old world village.

Baier, Josef, Slovak, to Pittsburgh Others went to Pittsburgh also
Gans, Rudolf
          children: Wenzel, Katherine, Gisella
August 31, 1907 to see brother Franz Gans at 1233 Bismarck street

In the Oshkosh 1910 census they are listed as 
Gremps, Frank, 1236 Bismarck
Gremps, Rudolf, 1230 Bismarck
Austria-Bohemia. Now why would they say this, just three years earlier they came from Szidorfalva.

Schottl, Catherine with children To husband Leibrich Schettl, 474 6th St.
Robel, Franz with Katie, Wenzel, Maria, Josef, Barbara To see brother Wilhelm Robel, Sawyer Ave.
Turjanicza, Maria with children To husband in Mellon, WI. 
They state they are Ruthenian
Oshkosh has a connection with Mellon. I'm sure it has to do with lumber. I remember visiting some sort of relation in Mellon when I was a kid. Probably was a Golomb relation.
Turjanica, Peter To Pittsburgh, Hungarian
He is traveling with the next entry
Yungwirth, Franz From Tusset, Bohemia to Pittsburgh to see his brother Mathias. Why would someone from Tusset travel with someone from Szidorfalva unless the two areas had some sort of connection.

other interesting finds

Winkelbauer, Robert and Carl From Bergriechenstein which is NW of Vimperk to Willoughby, Ohio I will have to check this village as a possible earlier source of my Winkelbauers.
Lang, Franz From Prachatice, Bohemia To see Uncle in Merrill, WI The wife says she is Hungarian, Croatian.
Matche, Eduard To Orrville, CA
special medical conditions, deported
Seibold, Ida with child Oliver 5 weeks to husband Otto, US citizen, 1339 10th St.
Sitter, Anna From Eleonorenheim
Staghauer, Wilhelm really should be Wilhelm Stoegbauer The transcribing is not always very accurate so you have to check possible misspellings
Schlager, Wenzel
                Franceska with children Anna and Karl
From Hirschberger To Uncle Wenzel Andrashko in St. Paul
Karl was sick and in the hospital and delayed their immigration
Proll, Edvard
         Maria with child Maria
From Oberplan to Engelbert Holub in Chicago
Name probably is Praxl-- with that misspelling they never would have been found but I searched with Oberplan.

From Budweis, there are 272 names

From Passau, 156 names

From Kuschwarda, 23 names: all names familiar to Oshkosh

From Horice, 40

From Winterberg, 40 or Czech Vimperk, 7

From Prachatice, 40

From Bergreichenstein, 21

From Freyung, 7

From Grafenau, 8

From Grainet, 4

From Annathal, 5

From Haidmuhle, 3




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